Proposal to donate to support the Ukrainian Red Cross

Summary :Donate to support the Ukrainian Red Cross and its work to help civilians in this difficult time for Ukraine!

Abstract: I propose an emergency donation of the remaining funds that were originally planned to help alpacas to the Ukrainian Red Cross to help Ukrainian citizens traumatized by the war.

Overview:As the war in Ukraine intensified, the Ukrainian people suffered heavy casualties. I know alpacas need help too, but human life is more precious and the situation is more urgent now. Because I haven’t thought of other sources of funds for the time being (if you have more suitable sources of funds, you can reply below), so I hope that these funds can be used to save people first, and the income after the war can continue to be used to protect the alpaca.

Motivation:It was a war of aggression, Ukraine was attacked unprovoked and saw some pictures of civilians injured. I personally think that the right side should be supported, but it may not be part of the international politics involved in the Alpaca platform, so it should be a more neutral option to donate to the Ukrainian Red Cross to help civilians.
On the other hand, I am a Chinese and I have seen some bad comments from Chinese, and I would like to say that they do not represent us.

I hope this can be the first voting proposal for Alpaca. The emergency of the war also requires a quick vote on the proposal. I look forward to everyone’s reply, thank you. (sorry for google translate)

Justice will win, Ukraine will win.

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And why then not help the victim of other wars that are constantly going on in Africa and other countries? I’m against it, it’s not fair to help one but not help others.

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I do not think it is a good idea to get political. Best to stay neutral

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So your logic is if you can’t help everyone then don’t help anyone?

The reasons why I think this time is particularly worthy of help are:

  1. This is a war of aggression against a normal democratic country, not a dictatorship or a civil war between warlords.
  2. I personally think that if this war goes to an extreme, it will be a world war and will affect To everyone,
    3, this is the period when the alpacas start to govern and would be a good start.
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I said at the beginning, just donate to support the Ukrainian Red Cross and its work to help civilians. Helping civilians has nothing to do with politics.

And who will help the citizens of Russia? They also got into a terrible situation due to the ambitions of the insane dictator. I believe that the project should remain neutral and continue to help animals.

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Ukraine is an invaded country. Ukrainian civilians are in danger of life. The Red Cross is there to save lives. It is not a so-called bad situation. Is the life of Russian civilians in danger now? No. So this is just a very simple logic, we’re just here to help save lives, not their financial situation.why don’t you understand it?

While this is coming from a good place, I disagree that donations should be done at the protocol level (apart from donations to alpaca sanctuaries as outlined in the documentation). They should be done at the individual level.

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We’re exploring donating some of the charity funds to child refugees from the war. Does anyone still have an issue if the donations go to children?

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No problem for me. The charity funds were out of scope by governance anyway, right?

  1. The original published destination of the funds was to alpaca/wildlife/nature charities.

  2. There is no DAO here. Decentralized governance does not a DAO make.

That’s true, fixed it :wink:

Helping children is totally fine. They are suffering during the war and definitely innocent.

I do not think it is a good idea to get political. Best to stay neutral.

BTW, if you insist political, you should learn about the history of Cuban Missile Crisis, the history of Resist US aggression and aid Korea. If Ukraine does not insist on joining NATO, the war could not have happenned at all. I do agree the opinion of helping victims in the war. But I really dont like your last sentence. So what is justice? The United States manipulates politics, stirring up war everywhere. Is this what you call “justice” ? I sympathize with the people of Ukraine, but I despise the Ukrainian government. Don’t be childish.

No offense.

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Totally support. Alpacas love freedom and peace. But freedom is never free, and peace demands efforts.

完全支持。羊驼们热爱自由和和平。但是自由需要付出,和平需要努力。

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Typical Chinese point of view, I know you can understand Chinese so I will reply you directly in Chinese.
典型的中国人观点,我知道你能看懂中文所以直接用中文回复你了。
1,我承认我个人的观点有政治倾向,但是我的提议并没有,只是捐钱给红十字会救助平民。
2,古巴导弹危机是在冷战时期以谈判结束的,而且美国并没有全面入侵古巴。至于朝鲜战争是朝鲜先打的韩国,然后联合国决议通过的联合国军出兵朝鲜,甚至苏联也没有在联合国反对。
3,俄罗斯入侵乌克兰很明显铁的事实,没什么可说的,你看不清是因为站在中俄准盟友关系的角度上了。对比下日本侵华历史换下角色很容易理解,俄罗斯14年开始不断蚕食乌克兰的克里米亚, 顿涅茨克,卢甘斯克,跟当年日本建立伪满,华北自治一个套路的,至于什么北约东扩都是借口而已,主权国家想加入什么组织需要别国来决定?918日本还借口的军官被杀。
4,至于正义,你不同意侵略是邪恶,反抗侵略是正义吗?
5,你通过国内教科书和官媒塑造的历史观和政治观我都经历过,既然能翻出来多了解下真实的世界吧,保持独立思考和判断,不指望说服你,只是表达自己的观点,不再回复这类讨论了,在这里不太合适。

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Still don’t understand why helping civilians is not neutral. If possible, I hope you can list both options for everyone to choose.
I know some people question neutrality, but maybe it’s like the ITAM vote, there are a lot of people who are against it in the forum, but the overwhelming majority of people vote in favor.

既然你也能看懂中文,我也明确告诉你,这里不谈政治问题。
我还是坚持我的观点,人民和政府不可以混为一谈。你口中的反战和维护正义,也并不能靠给市民捐款来实现。我赞同Sam, 给儿童捐款更合理一些。

最后,别一口一个国内教科书和官媒历史观。我在台湾TOP3的大学修过本科,在新加坡TOP2的学校修过博士学位,你是不是觉得所有人都没出过国,都看不到真实的世界?一个讲英文都要靠翻译的人,张口闭口国内政治国内教科书,说实话,其实挺逗的。

无意冒犯,我们并不需要达成意见一致。

With all due respect, we are investors, not political activists. I’d rather use my own money than involve protocol in this. Why? Helping alpacas is a neutral cause that appeals to everyone. Helping Ukrainian and Rússia civilians, regardless of the political motivation on either side, is also. But throwing Alpaca Finance on one side, making donations only to Ukraine’s civilians, could damage the protocol’s institutional relationship with Russia and China, disrupting some activity in those countries if cryptos are regulated in the future. Remember that Russia has plans to regulate cryptos if they are cut from Swift. For protocol and for me, it is better to remain neutral and again, donate with your own money. Sorry for my english.

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I do like the initiative, but as I also understand that would be better if the protocol stays out of controversies, what about we create a community address or way to receive donations from all of us willing to donate, and if the Senior Alpacas want to give some from the real animal’s fund, they can do it too, but that would mostly be a community initiative.

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